So again, it’s not discrimination against overweight people. Well, below is the fabric costing for those sizes. Jumbo mortgages can be riskier because of their larger amounts. Watch. Here’s why I do it. This is a great post! I personally don’t know someone who can cut fabric that wide. All Rights Reserved. For example, let’s say a medium costs $10. I chose patterns and styles that I made sure took similar amounts of fabric, what ever the size. Plus there is more thread used in these larger sizes, not to mention the extra yardage for interlinings, fusibles and additional trimmings. Welcome to the 2010’s…. [This is theoretical, no professional pattern grader I know recommends a size range of 0-20 without some tweaking of size breaks but I omit that discussion as well in the interests of brevity.]. The plus sized community is hungry for good clothing. Because costing is so complex, it is not possible to cost per size. For example, one can buy a 45″ fabric for $5 p/y but the identical fabric in 60″ widths would be $6.50. This is good news because we need all the smart people we can get, yourself included. Interestingly there was a court case in the UK a few years ago where a consumer won her case: she challenged being charged a higher price for a larger size. I don’t know what happened after that: having read your explanation I suspect the retailer may have appealed the decision and won. It will also help me explain the use of cheaper fabrics in plus size, to keep cost down. The survey also attracted responses from 25,594 men. It goes without saying that Lisa is new in these parts because she has not learned I cannot tell you the time without also explaining how to build the clock. The end result of this long drawn out explanation is that large sizes for which there is no correspondingly smaller size (to take up the waste left behind) will be more costly. I will soon be making a unisex hiking kilt. Said from someone that’s clearly never had to run a business. A bigger home also can increase value, but the increase depends in part on where the added size goes. Even though there is very little more material than in the L version. Thanks for the clear explanation. Considering the risk, the manufacturer is going to stick with best bets of the market (what many might consider pablum) and of course, fabric selection in wider goods is extremely limited. Favourite answer. Not only is there extra fabric cost but there is also additional costs for lining, threads, longer zippers. Old Navy found itself in a quandary when a customer named Renee Posey went to its website and noticed that plus-sized women's jeans cost $12 to $15 more. Say from T2-6+ one price and from 8-14 +$2. If I’m going through the drive-thru, I’m either taking it home or to work to eat. Every one of you who is developing clothing is in essence a product manager in some form or fashion. That most certainly is NOT true. 1 person likes this. If you’ve been working with a children’s line, then remember that a range of sizes of little pieces are easier and more efficient to fit on whatever your standard width of fabric is, than big ones. Please note, comments must be approved before they are published. You can’t get lower than 0, but you can get higher than 200. ;-), It’s more of a power law relationship. I think I got it! It explains about the bigger sizes fabric use versus smaller sizes which was the main issue here, but there are for sure other factors that would interfere in the marker/cutting process. Wouldn’t it be a chi-square distribution function? But yarn yardage is. I highly encourage all of you to read Geoffrey Moore’s book, “Crossing the Chasm”. Learn how your comment data is processed. Indirect cost increases related to wider fabric is infrastructure. This is not because medium size patterns are specifically cut to fit fabric width this precisely only that the size 10 is the basis for costing, the zero point as it were. If your math adds up then I shouldn’t be paying so much for a year old outfit. I am currently annoyed with Modcloth for having the same pricing for all their sizes. I can’t fix this right now but the last sentence should read: In real life, one can cut 3 size 0’s for every 2 size 20’s so there is not as much waste as one would think. If fabric came in widths wider than 60″ a lot of the problems would be solved. (or did I miss something here). Other than that the options are to not offer the larger sizes or change the pattern for all the sizes (which would then mean a less attractive product- in my opinion- and a higher cost for everyone due to the increase in sewing). Theoretically, the costs would be an average of $11. It’s not like making tires, fitting rims to tightly defined parameters. In truth, sizes are better described as medium plus or minus which is why size is literally an arbitrary number with very little meaning attached to it at all beyond sizing commensurate to other brands one hangs with on the same rack because customers become angry if there is too much size disparity between a 10 of Brand A and a 10 of Brand B. Sizes could be described more accurately like this: [This is theoretical, no professional pattern grader I know recommends a size range of 0-20 without some tweaking of size breaks but I omit that discussion as well in the interests of brevity.]. Why should I have to do that? I don’t think it is equitable that people who wear smaller sizes are invariably asked to subsidize clothing purchases of the larger sizes, including medium. Also, large size customers tend to like fabric with a softer surface. But, the interesting fact is that in all of the companies I have worked for (many major main stream brands) the sampling and fitting is done on a size small. I never considered any of these factors before. Incidentally, if ever-wider width of goods helps keep the costs down, no wonder some plus size fashions look like they were made out of sheets and home dec fabric. Participate in this conversation via email, Why existing manufacturers don’t add plus sizes, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_quotient. In just a few days, nearly 19,000 people have petitioned the retailer asking it to end this policy, but Old Navy claims there is a reason that it charges more for larger female sizes. No matter how much I have a personal wish for beautiful clothing in larger sizes, I really do get it why it costs more, from the absolute get-go of fabric allocation. Kathleen is the author of The Entrepreneur’s Guide to Sewn Product Manufacturing, the most highly rated book of any topic in the garment industry. Those kinds already ARE much wider than what we’re used to working with. Size matters. Larger sizes require more fabric to make each bra. Oh so slow..I am so sorry I waisted your time! Research your market – you don’t have to pay some high end marketing firm, you can just run a poll on people in a few cities. Below is another marker I made showing sizes 0-20 (larger version). Would be nice if they factored the cost of materials into clothing sales so it wouldn’t be considered discriminatory, but proper. Kathleen started production patternmaking in 1981. That can add more value than, say, extra square footage in the attic. I expect to be fully flamed for this opinion as plus sizes will be a politically correct issue that people cannot treat without being illogically and emotional. If you honestly think more regulation will lower prices, you don’t understand how the real world works. Just look at baby clothes. 8 Answers. Kathleen, you have an amazing way of explaining things. 8 years ago. That brings us back to lean manufacturing where everyone involved at least understands what’s going on. Do you agree that bigger sizes should cost more or do you think that by charging more I am being discriminatory to bigger children? Call it discrimination all you will but all of the size 0’s will be cut because the extra size 0’s can fit in the space of the size 20. Sure they use the same tags but they take longer zips and more buttons. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chi_square. Cars with larger engines will usually eat up more fuel than smaller ones. Shays_Creations . I received an email recently from a lady who wanted to know why a dress in age 9-10 years cost £13 more than that same dress in 0-3 months. Let’s start by considering an example where we simply want to estimate a characteristic of our population, and see the effect that our sample size has on how precise our estimate is.The size of our sample dictates the amount of information we have and therefore, in part, determines our precision or level of confidence that we have in our sample estimates. I have tried to make the pricing as simple as possible by splitting costs into different age brackets rather than each size being a different price. eslon.nl Aufg ru nd i hrer größeren Abmessungen u nd des l ie ferbaren Expansionszub eh örs in Erg än zung zum Leimzubeh ör ist di e Tradition Rinne besonders geeignet für mitt el große un d größere D äch er . So I went big on the pizza-value question. More material more money. And certain design details (yarn types, stitch patterns, engineered striping), just doesn’t look as good on a 20 as on a 10. Costing wise, the 10 or medium is the average. Looking for a TV with a screen size over 70 inches? While I can’t say it is false for all manufacturers, I would think it would be false for 95% of them. All of these average out to a cost of $10 -the base size which is what you’re using for costing. This is also typical but not quite. Life can be so interesting when you’re the manufacturer and the retailer…. There is also extra time to sew larger sizes because there are more stitches, more to be ironed, and so on. The graph below is based on 74,476 prices from 3,678 pizza places around the country. Some are strict about the order ratio and others let me do whatever I ask for (that should make the items more expensive in production-and I am sure I pay that extra without knowing as they do full package). The large becomes the medium and the other sizes are adjusted accordingly. 1 person likes this. The larger a species' body size, the more likely the species is to go extinct. Once you consider cutting, bundling, handling, thread, pressing, finishing etc, the larger sizes cost more. actually it has nothing to do with how much … It’s purely a matter of reducing waste and keeping costs as low as possible. Adjective (bigger) Of great size, large. Bigger sizes don’t usually take that much more time to make and the amount of electricity and thread they use is only marginally more than smaller items. Bigger sizes use a lot more fabric than smaller sizes. Imagine if you will, that all of the pattern pieces for the various sizes are laid out (we call this a “marker”) on the fabric. It does not matter what you call a size. My degree is in math, so this entry totally appealed to my geek side. If a $100,000 mortgage goes sideways, lenders may take a loss. One of the most distinct problems that large size clothing departments suffer from is the lack of an appropriate sized hanger and possibly rack height. In full fashion knitting, this isn’t as much of a problem due to the lack of waste–pieces are knit to the measure. The point being that the size 16-20 do not fit neatly into the marker, accordingly there is waste and so the costs for those sizes are higher. And it clearly illustrates why we need to pay attention in our math classes. Women Feel More Satisfied Than Men About Men’s Size. Also, these larger sizes need stronger hardware such as wires, hooks and eyes and strap adjusters, as the breast weight is more. In children’s manufacturing some brands would add $2 on the bigger sizes if they have a wide size range. Perhaps you refuse to shop in places where bigger sizes cost more because you think it is unfair or discriminatory? If I don’t charge more for the bigger sizes then I have to raise the price of smaller sizes to make sure the costs are covered somewhere – and is that fair to those with smaller babies? People don’t even remotely consider something like folding, or shipping. The size range will go from womens xs to mens xl, I don’t have a marker for it yet as the designer is still tweaking the pattern, but it will be interesting to see how it all works out. Which is worth keeping in mind if miles per gallon (mpg) is important to you. If what you ask for has a lot of wastage, but you’re willing to pay for it, then there’s no problem. Thank you for all of these blog posts. Shops like Boden and Frugi, to name a couple, charge a little more for their kids range than their baby range but I charge quite a lot more for bigger sizes. The best way to keep your price points competitive is to use your allotted time and labor wisely. Costing and pricing is based in part on fabric use. Here is the costing breakdown with respect to fabric use. Well ultimately it comes down to the cost of fabric. Relativity . Brand ( pinup style clothing which tend to like fabric with a softer surface children. 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